tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post114922438118792232..comments2023-11-03T11:37:04.473+00:00Comments on nothing new under the sun: Will Newtown be in Heaven?byron smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-59002919409057015072007-05-25T08:18:00.000+01:002007-05-25T08:18:00.000+01:00Matt, I assume by "heaven" you mean the new creati...Matt, I assume by "heaven" you mean the new creation?<BR/><BR/>I still think Dave's question is an interesting one: the essence of <I>which</I> Newtown? Must essences (if we grant that concept - I'm not sure it's always a good move) be immutable? Part of what Newtown <I>is</I> is found in its changing history.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-38769274521531222622007-05-25T08:07:00.000+01:002007-05-25T08:07:00.000+01:00Evan's language reminds me of another C.S. Lewis w...Evan's language reminds me of another C.S. Lewis work <I>The Last Battle</I> in which the door to Narnia is closed after the kids walk through it. Yet, they find something familiar about the new place that they are (Aslan's Country). It has Narnia and England(!) in it, but they aren't really nor just Narnia or England.<BR/><BR/>In answer to Dave Barrie's comment, wouldn't "heaven" contain the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149674419392222672006-06-07T11:00:00.000+01:002006-06-07T11:00:00.000+01:00The question is a silly one.Newtown is Heaven.The question is a silly one.<BR/><BR/>Newtown <I>is</I> Heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149498310554140462006-06-05T10:05:00.000+01:002006-06-05T10:05:00.000+01:00Tim: but you mean one gospel outline especially, n...Tim: but you mean one gospel outline especially, now, don't you?<BR/><BR/>;-)michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149489572687459712006-06-05T07:39:00.000+01:002006-06-05T07:39:00.000+01:00Not only are our old hymns to blame for your bible...Not only are our old hymns to blame for your bible study group's confusion, but also the numerous gospel outlines that use the language of 'going to heaven when you die'. We juxtupose heaven and hell, when the biblical vision is for the unification of heaven and earth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149464859062029972006-06-05T00:47:00.000+01:002006-06-05T00:47:00.000+01:00Yes, with you there... looking forward to the mill...Yes, with you there... looking forward to the millenial posts :)Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03148452877425621293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149392833966293612006-06-04T04:47:00.000+01:002006-06-04T04:47:00.000+01:00The reformational theologians (Kuyper, Bavinck [cf...The reformational theologians (Kuyper, Bavinck [cf. recently translated Reformed Dogmatics, The Last Things, Our Reasonable Faith], S.G. de Graf, Promise and Deliverance, Walsh & Middleton, The Transforming Vision, etc.] and philosophers such Dooyeweerd, Vollenhoven, Popma, Zuidema, Runner, Al Wolters (Creation Regained), Mouw (When the Kings Come Marching In), Seerveld have long argued the the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149302450131978202006-06-03T03:40:00.000+01:002006-06-03T03:40:00.000+01:00Oh, and back to Dave Barrie's original question of...Oh, and back to Dave Barrie's original question of <I>which</I> Newtown: Moltmann would certainly say 'all of the above', including the Newtowns that might have been but were aborted or missed or voted out by greedy councils. He develops the concept of 'redeemed time' or 'the fullness of time', as I discussed back <A HREF="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2006/05/byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149302157086598172006-06-03T03:35:00.000+01:002006-06-03T03:35:00.000+01:00Rory, O'Donovan's head-kicking came too late for m...Rory, O'Donovan's head-kicking came too late for me. I was already convinced by Nietzche. :-)<BR/><BR/>...Or rather, re-reading the New Testament after reading Nietzsche.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149301994433942322006-06-03T03:33:00.000+01:002006-06-03T03:33:00.000+01:00David Ould - yes, 'new creation' or 'renewed creat...David Ould - yes, 'new creation' or 'renewed creation' or 'the eschaton' (or perhaps 'the new beginning' as Moltmann points out), or 'the age to come', or 'eternal life' (understood as 'the life of the coming aeon' rather than timeless eternity - see my continuing (though recently neglected series on <A HREF="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2006/05/time-for-eternity.html" REL="byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149301607655626422006-06-03T03:26:00.000+01:002006-06-03T03:26:00.000+01:00Dave, yes, this is the problem with C. S. Lewis' C...Dave, yes, this is the problem with C. S. Lewis' <I>Cosmic Trilogy</I>, in which he plays with the idea of only earth as having fallen, but life on other planets in the solar system remaining without evil. The second law of thermodynamics means the death of the universe. Surely liberation from bondage to decay (Rom 8.18ff) is an overthrow of entropy?<BR/><BR/>Drew, I assume you're referring to byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149299087226249982006-06-03T02:44:00.000+01:002006-06-03T02:44:00.000+01:00On the whole Mars issue, do you think the entire u...On the whole Mars issue, do you think the entire universe will be renewed or just Heaven and Earth?<BR/><BR/>If the sun is not renewed then it only has about 5 billion years left which may mean that the new Jerusalem will have to be relocated at some point. I guess even a renewed sun may still have a limited life span, which would mean we have to move to a new solar system at some point anyway.<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149298886797954772006-06-03T02:41:00.000+01:002006-06-03T02:41:00.000+01:00Byron, what do you make of the first/second resurr...Byron, what do you make of the first/second resurrection stuff in Revelation?Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03148452877425621293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149256954779932682006-06-02T15:02:00.000+01:002006-06-02T15:02:00.000+01:00You mean MTC misses out on being on the renewed ea...You mean MTC misses out on being on the renewed earth?<BR/><BR/>(or Mars, apparently...)byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149239509452495062006-06-02T10:11:00.000+01:002006-06-02T10:11:00.000+01:00Now, the really important question is: will Moore ...Now, the really important question is: <BR/><BR/>will Moore College be in Newtown in heaven?<BR/><BR/>I think so...michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149237429489522152006-06-02T09:37:00.000+01:002006-06-02T09:37:00.000+01:00I credit Oliver ODonovan for knocking out of my he...I credit Oliver ODonovan for knocking out of my head the idea Christians believe you go to heaven when you die. Glad to get rid of it.Rory Shinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10378270111323220078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149231138270178132006-06-02T07:52:00.000+01:002006-06-02T07:52:00.000+01:00Or the Newtown of AD 4006? (when the military supe...Or the Newtown of AD 4006? (when the military super power, Google, has relocated the entire population of Newtown to planet Microsoft (formerly know as Mars)).<BR/><BR/>...and you thought <I>Google Earth</I> was just a clever name!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149229917493163492006-06-02T07:31:00.000+01:002006-06-02T07:31:00.000+01:00If Newtown is part of the new Earth will it be the...If Newtown is part of the new Earth will it be the Newtown of 2006? <BR/><BR/>Or the Newtown of the early 19th Century? (when it first became the home of European settlers)<BR/><BR/>Or the Newtown of 20 000 BC? (when it was first occupied by Aboriginal tribes)<BR/><BR/>Or the Newtown of 180 000 000 BC? (when Australia first broke away from the super continent Gondwana)<BR/><BR/>Or the Newtown of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1149228110786905712006-06-02T07:01:00.000+01:002006-06-02T07:01:00.000+01:00hey Byron,I always like to refer to "The New Creat...hey Byron,<BR/><BR/>I always like to refer to "The New Creation".David Ouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10622248017352143637noreply@blogger.com