tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post1390025780820364945..comments2023-11-03T11:37:04.473+00:00Comments on nothing new under the sun: Confused about how voting works?byron smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-59667625247851352882007-11-22T11:18:00.000+00:002007-11-22T11:18:00.000+00:00I agree that being indepedent has nothing to do wi...I agree that being indepedent has nothing to do with not having an agenda, especially in the context of that question. I myself have at times cared more about a balanced/varied Senate than which party forms government, even before I even imagined that the Coalition would end up controlling the Senate. That may mean I have misguided priorities, but it doesn't mean I am no independent. Thinking Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04663760985851423746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-59390249829675998222007-11-22T04:43:00.000+00:002007-11-22T04:43:00.000+00:00Moffitt - yes and yes.Marty - thanks for clarifyin...Moffitt - yes and yes.<BR/><BR/>Marty - thanks for clarifying. As I understand it, the label 'independent', when used in politics, rarely means the absence of any political agenda, simply the lack of affiliation with a party. Think of independent candidates. They do not claim to be without agenda or bias, simply to not belong to a party.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, it's worth noting the seriousness of byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-51068376828118396102007-11-21T22:20:00.000+00:002007-11-21T22:20:00.000+00:00I should clarify that the "How should I vote" part...I should clarify that the "How should I vote" part of the site does seem to be fair in the way it is constructed, my point is simply that people will be suspicious given the bias evident in the other parts of the site. This suspicion, rightly or wrongly, will come given GetUp's agenda.Martin Kemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908454108625787731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-51701168775783383442007-11-21T22:17:00.000+00:002007-11-21T22:17:00.000+00:00IS there a new issue of CASE out? And is erro in i...IS there a new issue of CASE out? And is erro in it?Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-49568287519739606102007-11-21T22:00:00.000+00:002007-11-21T22:00:00.000+00:00How does this threaten their independence?They hav...<I>How does this threaten their independence?</I><BR/><BR/>They have shown that as an organisation they have an agenda which is not simply about giving information, but about leading the electorate towards a particular result. Having looked further at the site it is clear that they are up front about this. Yes they are independent in the sense that they don't back one party, but they do have a Martin Kemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908454108625787731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-83732541946762740352007-11-21T21:03:00.000+00:002007-11-21T21:03:00.000+00:00Marty - Let's look at that disclaimer:NOTE: THIS I...Marty - Let's look at that disclaimer:<BR/><I>NOTE: THIS IS THE ONLY ANSWER ON THIS BLOG THAT IS MEANT TO ADVOCATE A POSITION, INSTEAD OF SERVING AS IMPARTIAL, INDEPENDENT ADVICE ON THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM.</I><BR/>How does this threaten their independence? It seems to me they have clearly distinguished the difference between advice on how the electoral system works and this one answer giving an byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-34678153478618390602007-11-21T13:27:00.000+00:002007-11-21T13:27:00.000+00:00Elections remind us to celebrate democracy, where ...<I>Elections remind us to celebrate democracy, where we, the people, are in charge.</I><BR/><BR/>Sounds like they need to read O'Donovan, or at least your blog ;)<BR/><BR/>Seriously, the inclusion of that second last question and answer blows their independent status out of the water, even with the disclaimer. "We're not going to tell you how to vote a certain way, but we sure are going to give Martin Kemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908454108625787731noreply@blogger.com