tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post3189698133490755786..comments2023-11-03T11:37:04.473+00:00Comments on nothing new under the sun: Baptism: dunk, dip, douse or dribble?byron smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-61980212281761664122012-06-21T06:35:19.011+01:002012-06-21T06:35:19.011+01:00Via Jason Goroncy.<a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150955494365999&set=a.10150360061935999.369008.182397535998" rel="nofollow">Via Jason Goroncy</a>.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-20751052380827104932010-04-10T04:46:56.210+01:002010-04-10T04:46:56.210+01:00just catching up on this :-)
we baptised seven pe...just catching up on this :-)<br /><br />we baptised seven people at kirkplace on easter sunday. 3 adults and 3 infants. Steve doused two of the smaller babies (one was 3 weeks and one only a few months old) but dunked Reuben (2 years). it was fantastic! we're planning to dunk many more in the future :-)<br /><br />MurrayMurraynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-35476876556735944212010-01-31T08:08:05.038+00:002010-01-31T08:08:05.038+00:00Hi Byron,
I didn't take what you said as even...Hi Byron,<br /><br />I didn't take what you said as even remotely heavy-handed, but quite rightly as pressing me to think the issue through more fully. It's just that I realised afterwards that my initial question was very open-ended and could have easily presaged an apologist's attack on the Trinity.<br /><br />I'll have to write all my thoughts up on both this and my whole Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-45590440619687354292010-01-31T06:45:09.119+00:002010-01-31T06:45:09.119+00:00@Byron and Anthony: There's only thirty points...@Byron and Anthony: There's only thirty points in it.Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-7679958059392733442010-01-31T05:17:48.367+00:002010-01-31T05:17:48.367+00:00Hi Byron and thanks for your thoughts on baptism, ...Hi Byron and thanks for your thoughts on baptism, I have read your posts with interest and have even ordered my very own copy of the 1662 Common Book of Prayer, which interestingly enough is coming from the UK as it was about 1 third of the price of buying it in Australia!<br /><br />Your posts have made me think of the importance of not taking Church traditions for granted and to always go back Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18421725439187727161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-86421567392584815122010-01-30T22:18:25.138+00:002010-01-30T22:18:25.138+00:00Jonathan - Sorry if my last comment came on a bit ...Jonathan - Sorry if my last comment came on a bit heavy. It was not intended to be hostile in any way! I am genuinely interested in your story and how you now feel about it. As you say, it would be easier to discuss in person. Do feel free to drop me an email, which can be found <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Anthony - you are byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-5917603336422854632010-01-30T04:27:36.769+00:002010-01-30T04:27:36.769+00:00Oh Byron, you've got me thinking now.
My blo...Oh Byron, you've got me thinking now. <br /><br />My blog was called According to Jonathan, and was rather short-lived as life got in the way of blogging.<br /><br />BTW when I asked about the "formula", I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything. Rather, I've been reading your blog with profit for some years and was just curious; didn't mean to drag either of us down Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-56681656716502577882010-01-29T22:48:27.620+00:002010-01-29T22:48:27.620+00:00Hey, I live to please. Though secretly I hoped to ...Hey, I live to please. Though secretly I hoped to scrounge some points for the entertainment value ;-)Anthony Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16277745466192451883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-14849163060932316642010-01-29T11:35:13.469+00:002010-01-29T11:35:13.469+00:00Jonathan - thanks for sharing more of your story. ...Jonathan - thanks for sharing more of your story. Can you remind me what your blog is/was called?<br /><br />I'm glad to hear that you're now a trinitarian! :-)<br />I'd love to hear more about what it was that convinced you to change your mind.<br /><br />Can I ask how you currently feel about your modalist past? I have not met (m)any explicit modalists personally as the movement is byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-57515355490929902632010-01-29T11:13:38.900+00:002010-01-29T11:13:38.900+00:00Eric - I've heard that too. And you have just ...Eric - I've heard that too. And you have just anticipated my next post...<br /><br />Matt - I hadn't heard that.<br /><br />Amanda - thanks! It was indeed a joyful time. Jess has <a href="http://smithsnorth.blogspot.com/2010/01/auroras-baptism.html" rel="nofollow">posted some pictures</a>.<br /><br />Anthony - trust you to be the first one to see the opportunity for a pun in Latin! For byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-41351710046782802812010-01-29T00:06:55.925+00:002010-01-29T00:06:55.925+00:00Most Anglican churches I know don't have the e...Most Anglican churches I know don't have the equipment for a dipping! Or should I take my baby bath along?Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03148452877425621293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-64725565500512651892010-01-28T23:36:22.560+00:002010-01-28T23:36:22.560+00:00Your article, research and thoughts on baptism, we...Your article, research and thoughts on baptism, were particularly interesting! <br /><br />I had never heard of any of that before.<br /><br />I am so glad that God really blessed you, Jess and Aurora on this day!<br /><br />And that Aurora got splashed with lots of water.<br /><br />Love AmandaAmanda Carsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-41077695383832207212010-01-28T22:59:08.279+00:002010-01-28T22:59:08.279+00:00Rather than make any useful comment here, I will s...Rather than make any useful comment here, I will simply indulge my own weakness and point out the opportunity for an outrageous pun:<br /><br />Newsflash: ad fontes trumps ad fontAnthony Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16277745466192451883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-44959795716034492192010-01-28T21:40:13.559+00:002010-01-28T21:40:13.559+00:00Hey Byron, what I was told in confirmation class 1...Hey Byron, what I was told in confirmation class 10 years ago is that normal Anglican practice was for babies to be immersed.<br /><br />However, if babies were wearing baptism robes/dress, then the water should be sprinkled/poured rather than immersed. I never found out why the robes represented weakness.Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-82747469907474813742010-01-28T20:40:27.716+00:002010-01-28T20:40:27.716+00:00About immersing infants: I can't remember wher...About immersing infants: I can't remember where I read this, or whether or not the source was reputable, and I'm certain that I wouldn't want do empirical research on the matter without further reading, but I recall reading that for about a week after being born, infants retain the reflex to hold their breath when they are immersed in liquid---just as they have done for 9 months in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-64058310547923573722010-01-28T19:38:14.006+00:002010-01-28T19:38:14.006+00:00Alas Byron, we haven't met in the flesh. I use...Alas Byron, we haven't met in the flesh. I used to blog (briefly) so we did chat several years ago about Christology and Bauckham.<br /><br />The church I was brought up in was Oneness (form of modalism) and not trinitarian. Having said that, I should add that I was baptised at 12 and am now 34! Plus, I became trinitarian during my Bib Studies/Patristics degree almost a decade ago.<br /><br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-4361968075066303872010-01-28T15:48:58.513+00:002010-01-28T15:48:58.513+00:00PS I haven't explained why the early fathers c...PS I haven't explained why the early fathers came to this conclusion, but I confess that my knowledge of this is not particularly strong. There are some hints in the <a href="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9306frs.asp" rel="nofollow">passages that I linked to</a>.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-80832080556442057022010-01-28T15:47:34.566+00:002010-01-28T15:47:34.566+00:00Hi Jonathan, and thanks!
Thanks also for your que...Hi Jonathan, and thanks!<br /><br />Thanks also for your question. It was an issue that the early fathers debated, since Paul also speaks of simply being "baptised into Christ" in Romans 6. Are they alternative formulations, competing formulations, or is the shorter form merely an abbreviation? From what I have read, they seemed to conclude fairly consistently that the trinitarian byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-3422632106266224022010-01-28T15:17:10.807+00:002010-01-28T15:17:10.807+00:00Congrats Byron, I'm sure that was a lovely day...Congrats Byron, I'm sure that was a lovely day for you.<br /><br />I have a question for you though. In Acts, new disciples are baptised "in the name of Jesus". I was baptised in a church which used that "formula" rather than F, S, HS. Would you say I need to be rebaptised with that formula instead?<br /><br />JonathanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com