tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post115528452723308046..comments2023-11-03T11:37:04.473+00:00Comments on nothing new under the sun: The end of grace Ibyron smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-41734030418762715242008-03-07T09:38:00.000+00:002008-03-07T09:38:00.000+00:00It is, but as I mentioned three or four comments u...It is, but as I mentioned three or four comments up, the points have already been claimed in a different thread (back before people realised I wanted guesses on each post, not all consolidated on the pics and points post).byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-9808771854172527822008-03-07T08:44:00.000+00:002008-03-07T08:44:00.000+00:00IS this from on you roof top?IS this from on you roof top?Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-14094014402373888692007-08-22T05:30:00.000+01:002007-08-22T05:30:00.000+01:00Hugh - welcome to blog-commenting and thanks for y...Hugh - welcome to blog-commenting and thanks for your message. Sounds like an interesting project. One article that springs to mind is:<BR/>Ford, David F. "Faith in the Cities: Corinth and the Modern City" in <I>On Being the Church: Essays on Christian Community</I> (eds. Colin E. Gunton and Daniel W. Hardy; Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1989), 225-56. Yet I think this is probably still of only byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-31043849829720471142007-08-21T17:33:00.000+01:002007-08-21T17:33:00.000+01:00I'm intrigued by your comment that "there is a bib...I'm intrigued by your comment that "there is a biblical theology of cities waiting to be written". I agree, but haven't found it yet - Jacques Ellul's "The Meaning of the City" is very thought provoking, but too negative to my mind. Any thoughts on other leads (I am planning a sabbatical next year, and am thinking of trying to get some thoughts together). This is my first post on your blog (orAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1159179035478626512006-09-25T11:10:00.000+01:002006-09-25T11:10:00.000+01:00NB points for this pic have already been claimed b...NB points for this pic have already been claimed by Stevie T over in the <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28189019&postID=115884774758686396" REL="nofollow">comments</A> of a <A HREF="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2006/09/pics-and-points.html" REL="nofollow">more recent post</A>.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155851431894989352006-08-17T22:50:00.000+01:002006-08-17T22:50:00.000+01:00Perhaps you could add a reflection on the Heb 12 p...Perhaps you could add a reflection on the Heb 12 passage about the coming of the church to the heavenly city... interesting counterpoint to Jesus' crucifixion outside the city walls there. (sorry, no bible handy)michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155821120176397402006-08-17T14:25:00.000+01:002006-08-17T14:25:00.000+01:00Thanks Mark - great points about Babylon and Jerus...Thanks Mark - great points about Babylon and Jerusalem. There's a biblical theology of cities waiting to be written (though I'm sure someone's already done it and I just haven't found it... any ideas?). Interestingly, after Babel (Babel's solution? Babel's hope?) comes the nomad Abraham. But only a nomad because he was waiting for a better city (according to Heb 11).<BR/><BR/>Andrew - <I>Lamech byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155820361649178762006-08-17T14:12:00.000+01:002006-08-17T14:12:00.000+01:00What space have you got for Christ as our hope in ...<I>What space have you got for Christ as our hope in the present for the future? </I><BR/>I have a nice little room on the side. :-)<BR/><BR/><I>Is not the session of the resurrected Messiah the real foundation for the coming city?</I><BR/>Well, yes, sort of, though isn't it more linked to the continuation of the incarnation, rather than the heavenly session <I>per se</I>? - As you more or less byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155794350272441402006-08-17T06:59:00.000+01:002006-08-17T06:59:00.000+01:00Thanks Byron for the comment on time + hope. Sorry...Thanks Byron for the comment on time + hope. Sorry that was a general thought and not really attached to your particular post. But I've just started reading CFD Moule who looks at the "Meaning of Hope" in its past, present and future tenses and so was interested in your opinion.<BR/><BR/>In terms of your specific post, it's interesting that when John envisions The New Jerusalem in Revelation, Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10078136445157707068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155784700894407902006-08-17T04:18:00.000+01:002006-08-17T04:18:00.000+01:00Great post Byron. As you noted in passing, we can ...Great post Byron. <BR/><BR/>As you noted in passing, we can go even further back than Babel to Cain's city, almost at the very beginning of the Bible: a mix of good human achievement (the first musicians and artisans are Cain's descendants, Gen. 1:21-22) and sexual corruption and violence (Lamech). You're right about our cities - they're still the home of both Lamech and the lyre!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155740505357186542006-08-16T16:01:00.000+01:002006-08-16T16:01:00.000+01:00David: yes, good point about grace remaining adjec...David: yes, good point about grace remaining adjectival. I will endeavour to explain it to make this clear, though I admit my title didn't help.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155740442476625622006-08-16T16:00:00.000+01:002006-08-16T16:00:00.000+01:00Liquidoxology: no, not specifically with the scien...Liquidoxology: no, not specifically with the scientific worldview. The ambivalence of cities is an ancient as well as modern phenomenon. Technology (esp massive increases in the ability to transport large amounts of food (and to a lesser extent, the ability to freeze food)) merely enabled the multiplication of urban areas to sizes previously beyond imagination. This has not only multiplied the byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155740082554948732006-08-16T15:54:00.000+01:002006-08-16T15:54:00.000+01:00Mark, hope is (by definition) forward-looking, eve...Mark, hope is (by definition) forward-looking, even if it arises from faith-filled relationship to God's past actions in Christ. And of course, it can only be exercised in the present by the power of the Spirit. The very fact that Christian hope exists is itself a taste of the future, and in that sense, the Spirit does indeed make hope present for us now. But this is a taste of what is come, and byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155731547544461052006-08-16T13:32:00.000+01:002006-08-16T13:32:00.000+01:00I'd be curious too on your understanding of the re...I'd be curious too on your understanding of the relationship of hope to time. Is Christian hope only forward looking, ie. toward the end? Or is it rooted in the past (in Christ) and experienced in the present (in the Spirit) as well?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10078136445157707068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155726967491524242006-08-16T12:16:00.000+01:002006-08-16T12:16:00.000+01:00So, do you imply to argue that the scientific worl...So, do you imply to argue that the scientific worldview reflects the City of Babel? <BR/><BR/>Enjoying your blog!Dr. Anettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01684877381598852676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155341995774355782006-08-12T01:19:00.000+01:002006-08-12T01:19:00.000+01:00Great thought Matt - I'm intended this to become a...Great thought Matt - I'm intended this to become a short series on grace and eschatology and had been thinking about the links back to the present for a final post: I think you've just articulated some! Thanks, I'll use that in a few days.<BR/><BR/>To telegraph my present plans, I will then move on to another, slightly longer series on heaven before a summarising little series on the Christian byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155316561993594942006-08-11T18:16:00.000+01:002006-08-11T18:16:00.000+01:00It occurs to me Byron, that these posts of yours a...It occurs to me Byron, that these posts of yours are about <I>informing</I> our 'hope' - engaging our imagination towards the future. And this can only help reorient us to the present in our discipleship, as does all exposition of the gospel of Christ (in its past, present and future). But, of course, even our hoping is itself a gift of grace... God's gracious work from start to finish.<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155290655448967572006-08-11T11:04:00.000+01:002006-08-11T11:04:00.000+01:00Or: which is actually a new beginning. And also es...Or: which is actually a <A HREF="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2006/06/whole-new-world.html" REL="nofollow">new beginning</A>. And also especially <A HREF="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2006/06/in-end-beginning.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-1155290499417670002006-08-11T11:01:00.000+01:002006-08-11T11:01:00.000+01:00I guess I'm playing around with different meanings...I guess I'm playing around with different meanings of 'end' as well as different ways 'of' can function. By referring to 'the end of grace' in this post, I wanted to highlight the fact that the end is entirely dependent upon grace, it is 'the end that comes from grace': technically, a genitive of origin.<BR/><BR/>There will be more to say about this gracious end. Because not only is grace its byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.com