tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post40681697372295571..comments2023-11-03T11:37:04.473+00:00Comments on nothing new under the sun: God with us? Vbyron smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-45379430168484771212007-07-26T09:56:00.000+01:002007-07-26T09:56:00.000+01:00Drew - was your concern that our faith not be merc...Drew - was your concern that our faith not be mercenary? That we obey (forgive) out of love, not because we're in it for the 'money'?byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-36724482979425904472007-07-26T08:29:00.000+01:002007-07-26T08:29:00.000+01:00Thanks Byron - nice to ground it down with some sc...Thanks Byron - nice to ground it down with some scripture. <BR/><BR/>I think I'm a little confused over what 'to forgive' precisely means, and its relationship to judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-39514308847863869642007-07-26T03:38:00.000+01:002007-07-26T03:38:00.000+01:00Drew - I'm not sure I do follow you. Doesn't forgi...Drew - I'm not sure I do follow you. Doesn't forgiving involve precisely the kind of deferral with an eye on eschatological judgement that you mention? Jesus' refusal to return abuse for abuse was because <I>he entrusted himself to the one who judges justly</I> (1 Peter 2.23). The reason the merciful are blessed is because <I>they will receive mercy</I> (Matt 5.7).byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-48979343097646383502007-07-26T01:35:00.000+01:002007-07-26T01:35:00.000+01:00a glimpse of the future presenceit's still future,...<I>a glimpse of the future presence</I><BR/><BR/><I>it's still future, what about the present?</I><BR/><BR/>I wonder if a touch more can be said here?<BR/><BR/>I'm not much of a theologian, but it strikes me that in the logic of "When you welcome a stranger, when you forgive a deep wound" etc, there is required a kind of forgetting that this is a glimpse of the future. I know this sounds barmy, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-75066686962191293822007-07-25T15:21:00.000+01:002007-07-25T15:21:00.000+01:00John 1 and Ex 34 - interesting.Yes, another post t...John 1 and Ex 34 - interesting.<BR/><BR/>Yes, another post to come (the Spirit). Not sure that it won't leave us with more questions than answers, though. This was a sermon I wrote very much feeling the gaps as I groped around. I'm publishing it here so I can think about it more.<BR/><BR/>And ten <A HREF="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2006/09/pics-and-points.html" REL="nofollow">byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-44821467115459282322007-07-25T14:43:00.000+01:002007-07-25T14:43:00.000+01:00Notre DameNotre DameMartin Kemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908454108625787731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-4044596134795121302007-07-25T14:28:00.000+01:002007-07-25T14:28:00.000+01:00Also, in Anthony Tyrrell Hanson's, Grace and Truth...Also, in Anthony Tyrrell Hanson's, <I>Grace and Truth: A Study in the Doctrine of the Incarnation</I>, a big deal is made over the link between John 1 and Exodus 34: <BR/>Grace and Truth (John 1) lines up with Love and Judgment (Exodus 34).Martin Kemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908454108625787731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-57717516475129073742007-07-25T14:20:00.000+01:002007-07-25T14:20:00.000+01:00you are catching a glimpse of the future presence ...<I>you are catching a glimpse of the future presence of God</I><BR/><BR/>This is a key idea. Many would say that in welcoming the stranger we are encountering Jesus <I>in</I> the stranger. I get what they are saying, but it just doesn't fly with me. The future idea works better. BUT, it's still <I>future</I>, what about the present? Next post?Martin Kemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17908454108625787731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-53709493415792723862007-07-25T08:08:00.000+01:002007-07-25T08:08:00.000+01:00i'm just reading now "dissapointed with God" by Ya...i'm just reading now "dissapointed with God" by Yancey and so far it covers this absence quite a bit.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07797427380504915562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-27982561319229994212007-07-25T05:25:00.000+01:002007-07-25T05:25:00.000+01:00"Although you have not seen him, you love him; and..."Although you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and rejoice..." 1 Peter 1:8<BR/><BR/>I don't think I think much about the current absence of God... but maybe I should think more about it... it is obviously a big and key category for you with your emphasis on waiting, groaning, longing etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com