tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post5635131144614000801..comments2023-11-03T11:37:04.473+00:00Comments on nothing new under the sun: What we do with what we know: a storybyron smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-2955743341558614122013-03-08T19:57:11.424+00:002013-03-08T19:57:11.424+00:00HufPo: A very similar idea outlined by David Golds...HufPo: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/davidgoldstein/adult-response-climate-change_b_2832052.html?utm_hp_ref=climate-change" rel="nofollow">A very similar idea</a> outlined by David Goldstein.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-39661534643308105282010-10-26T17:58:30.934+01:002010-10-26T17:58:30.934+01:00More on the IOP submission (mentioned above at #11...More on the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/05/climate-emails-institute-of-physics-submission" rel="nofollow">IOP submission</a> (mentioned above at #11).<br /><br />The IoP submission came via the Energy Sub-group of the IoP Science Board. Peter Gill is no longer a member of the Energy Sub-group of the Science Board. In fact the Energy Sub-group no longer exists. This wasbyron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-29858691943292994142010-07-08T20:40:05.970+01:002010-07-08T20:40:05.970+01:00Speaking of the IPCC AR4 leaving out many feedback...Speaking of the IPCC AR4 leaving out many feedbacks, <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/08/climate-feedback-loops/" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a report on a new study and many links to more information on various feedbacks.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-72059246170561694202010-07-08T19:25:00.584+01:002010-07-08T19:25:00.584+01:00Thanks David, I've been meaning to add the lat...Thanks David, I've been meaning to add the latest comments feature for a while, but have just not got around to making all the changes I'd like on my sidebar. It's on my "to do" list.<br /><br />The Economist article is reasonably balanced. 4,000 pages and a handful of problems is a remarkable achievement. Remember that in many other areas, IPCC AR4 is accepted even by its byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-27006011245767667242010-07-07T23:53:32.811+01:002010-07-07T23:53:32.811+01:00Hi Byron,
I decided to run off a copy of our l-o-...Hi Byron,<br /><br />I decided to run off a copy of our l-o-n-g discourse on this thread this morning and lo and behold I find another entry yesterday from you which I would never have seen but for my purpose today.<br /><br />Why don't you do what Sam Norton does of having a link on the front page to recent comments?<br /><br />I've removed Sam from my list of blogs to keep my eye on, David Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12915892358086536345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-40372479874015396382010-07-07T15:02:53.811+01:002010-07-07T15:02:53.811+01:00The results of the Russell inquiry are out: basica...The <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/07/climategate-review-clears-scientists-dishonesty" rel="nofollow">results of the Russell inquiry</a> are out: basically what I said <a href="http://nothing-new-under-the-sun.blogspot.com/2009/11/cru-hacking-end-of-world-as-we-know-it.html" rel="nofollow">back in November</a>. "They did not subvert the peer review process to censor byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-57835305470355963022010-05-17T17:34:48.690+01:002010-05-17T17:34:48.690+01:00The complex interaction of climate change and plan...<a href="http://climatecentral.org/breaking/blog/plants_and_climate_change/" rel="nofollow">The complex interaction of climate change and plant growth</a>.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-41677135640085307592010-05-15T10:48:49.011+01:002010-05-15T10:48:49.011+01:00David - thanks. No rush!David - thanks. No rush!byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-579844286049384112010-05-15T06:17:29.961+01:002010-05-15T06:17:29.961+01:00Hi Byron,
I'm deep into writing my paper, so ...Hi Byron,<br /><br />I'm deep into writing my paper, so I will not be responding to you at this stage.<br /><br />However, as you see on other of your posts, I'm keeping my eye on you!<br /><br />I do wish you well with your studies, that God opens up for you a really worthwhile field of service, and in the meantime that you accept everything He gives you from day to day with pleasure andDavid Palmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12915892358086536345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-21358769423110506392010-05-14T17:03:00.787+01:002010-05-14T17:03:00.787+01:00Thanks Kate, I really appreciate your blog.Thanks Kate, I really appreciate <a href="http://climatesight.org/" rel="nofollow">your blog</a>.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-90832817395317413922010-05-14T16:57:27.838+01:002010-05-14T16:57:27.838+01:00What a great piece....a really strong analogy abou...What a great piece....a really strong analogy about acting in the face of uncertainty.climatesighthttp://climatesight.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-2055199480394733282010-05-11T14:58:12.148+01:002010-05-11T14:58:12.148+01:00PS When I said that Curry doesn't seem to be o...PS When I said that Curry doesn't seem to be on the ball, I could be wrong. But Mann's response indicates that he thinks she's not familiar with the field, but this could simply be the result of a journalist reporting what she said to Mann.<br /><br />Going back to the discussion about adapting to climate changes, there are physical limits to our ability to adapt to extreme wet bulb byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-46502165119147396252010-05-11T13:29:17.509+01:002010-05-11T13:29:17.509+01:00The Curry/Mann article you linked to is quite a sl...The Curry/Mann article you linked to is quite a sloppy piece of journalism. The author has made two simple errors of fact within the first couple of paragraphs (and since he's only asking questions, that'd quite an achievement). First, Mann et al. 1999 was not just about North America but Northern Hemisphere temperatures; second, Jones did not resign after the CRU email hack.<br /><br />byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-9387767973279495552010-05-10T13:09:56.301+01:002010-05-10T13:09:56.301+01:00Two part post from a research academic outlining w...Two part post from a research academic outlining why the claim that climate scientists agree with AGW for the money is ludicrous.<br /><br /><a href="http://profmandia.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/taking-the-money-for-granted-%E2%80%93-part-i/" rel="nofollow">Part I</a><br /><a href="http://profmandia.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/taking-the-money-for-granted-%E2%80%93-part-ii/" rel="nofollow">Part II</a>byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-84777845463329227452010-05-07T20:12:42.390+01:002010-05-07T20:12:42.390+01:00I'd be interested in your opinion of this arti...<i>I'd be interested in your opinion of this article by two climate scientists, Judith Curry and Michael Mann.</i><br />I haven't yet had a chance to read it, but will try to do so soon.<br /><br /><i>I’m thinking of doing something on atheism and climate change next year</i><br />What is the link that you're interested in?<br /><br />Once again, thanks for this discussion. I byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-73486463472371207202010-05-07T20:07:10.859+01:002010-05-07T20:07:10.859+01:00Well, it is true that CO2 acts as a fertiliser – y...<i>Well, it is true that CO2 acts as a fertiliser – you want to say the fertilising effect is over-powered by other factors.</i><br />The picture is indeed more complex than I first thought. I have done some further reading on this and the current understanding is that (broadly speaking) temperate crops might do a little better at around 1ºC global warming, but by about 1.5-2ºC, this benefit is byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-64910157797706842482010-05-07T20:03:21.913+01:002010-05-07T20:03:21.913+01:00OK, let me return to the final few points that I d...OK, let me return to the final few points that I didn't have time to address last week.<br /><br /><i>Well, I did quote the reduction in my paper on radiative forcings between 2001 and 2007 – are you saying I got that wrong?</i><br />Yes, though I didn't say it earlier as I hadn't checked the numbers. Here is the relevant paragraph from AR4 SPM, p.7: "The range of projections (byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-47444746452328260992010-05-07T20:02:34.395+01:002010-05-07T20:02:34.395+01:00Oops - I've just realised I seem to have repea...Oops - I've just realised I seem to have repeatedly been switching between "Lomborg" (correct) and "Lomberg" (incorrect). My mistake.byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-82457549836769490292010-04-29T15:30:12.472+01:002010-04-29T15:30:12.472+01:00I don’t know that I have ever denied that humanity...<i>I don’t know that I have ever denied that humanity has the ability to change the environment for better or worse.</i><br />DJP Review, page 22: "Many Christians, and here we include ourselves, are naturally and deeply sceptical of current environmental “apocalypticism”, that bears the hallmarks of a religion […] that takes enormous conceits to itself regarding mankind’s ability to change byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-19299458698056668522010-04-29T15:28:55.549+01:002010-04-29T15:28:55.549+01:00You rightly want to restrict everything to peer re...<i>You rightly want to restrict everything to peer reviewed articles (and I noted earlier Jones et al attempts to interfere with that process), but Al Gore probably did more than anyone else for exaggerated claims. Do you acknowledge the unsustainable claims and damage he did to the cause of anthropomorphic CO2 induced climate change?</i><br />The inquiries have so far not found any evidence thatbyron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-47824515035164380442010-04-29T15:25:30.432+01:002010-04-29T15:25:30.432+01:00I accept your retractions re Lomberg, though I am ...<i>I accept your retractions re Lomberg, though I am unconvinced by attempts to discredit him and more particularly his work, much as I note you are unconvinced by attempts to discredit the work of Mann, Jones, etc.</i><br />Notice what I did and did not retract. ;-)<br />There is a big difference between BL and MM/PJ. Lomborg has published a single peer-reviewed article in statistics (on game byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-35470408991532625482010-04-29T15:24:22.285+01:002010-04-29T15:24:22.285+01:00I have a general point to make, Byron. It may soun...<i>I have a general point to make, Byron. It may sound strange. The issue is not really the science of climate change – people are going to argue over it, possible forever: it is issues to do with the developing world’s quest to improve the standard of living and health outcomes for its people and how they will do it, its whether alternatives to fossil fuels are actually practical, safe, cost byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-44931479964100692292010-04-29T15:23:20.950+01:002010-04-29T15:23:20.950+01:00I notice later on you want to include 1994 to get ...<i>I notice later on you want to include 1994 to get to 95% CL – no, you can’t do that! I am quite prepared to concede the warming prior to 1995 was greater than 0.12degC/decade. </i><br />My point was not that warming has suddenly slowed in 1995. To claim this on the basis of Jones' comment is a misunderstanding of statistical significance. The confidence that a trend is not merely noise byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-17950053676381573702010-04-29T15:22:24.626+01:002010-04-29T15:22:24.626+01:00Steady on Byron, cessation of human life - that’s ...<i>Steady on Byron, cessation of human life - that’s a big call. My point about nuclear arms was simply that had the west disarmed as CND advocated, we would have seen the use of those weapons by the other side which is precisely what happened at the end of WW2 in Japan.</i><br />I was just saying that unilateral disarmament would <i>not</i> have been the worst possible outcome as you claimed. byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28189019.post-37242051347624450152010-04-29T15:21:28.206+01:002010-04-29T15:21:28.206+01:00Dear David,
Sorry for the month long delay. As I ...Dear David,<br /><br />Sorry for the month long delay. As I said on the other thread, I have been travelling with very limited net access for some time.<br /><br />Since your reply seems to have dropped our previous referencing convention and begun afresh at #1, I will simply drop all numbers to avoid extra confusion.<br /><br /><i>I don’t wish to say that current warming is unrelated to carbon byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.com